The big idea with playing tall will. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment More posts you may likeMade it a research world to soak up all the Necrophage pops, and transferred some to buff up other worlds. It is way to easy to spam Burocrats to avoid any penalties from rapid expansion. 8 that I finally was able to bring into the current patch with the new planet mechanics. I made a lot of mistakes and read a lot of info on the web and looked at a lot of videos but nowhere do they really teach you how to play. TLDR, I think tall isnt dead, it is just more gradient. There is no such thing as tall in Stellaris. #9. r/Stellaris A chip A chipOne of the greatest concepts added to EU4 was the wide vs. That being said, if your definition of tall is "just 10 or 20 systems", you could go for a ringworld rush and just fill those 20 systems with them. Technology_Training • 3 mo. That fixed a lot of problems. z0rbakpants • 2 yr. To me, playing tall means investing resources in things that increase the efficiency of your pops, which allows you to produce roughly the. for many many hours straight. Originally posted by twistedmelon: Tall is still a strategy, but it is more grey. It is inspired by EUIV’s province development feature, which allows countries with a few provinces to be able to match or even be better than countries with more but less lucrative provinces. Ethics, Civics, Traditions and other choices strongly support or hinder certain Playstyles. Tall builds could opt for a characteristic that gives them a tech boost but at the cost of maybe doubling the influence needed for outposts. Stellaris Tall vs. 3 and my solutions for it. 8 ‘Gemini’ release during Q2. Playing as an isolationist government with no access to unrestricted war, treaties, or other key social mechanics is a very different way of playing Stellaris, but it can be as fun as it is effective. What does this mod encompass Play Tall trait Limits Core Systems Allowed2. Going wide has been always been better than tall outside of one patch where you could rush science nexus. I play tall and use tributaries. Given that in civ you can win without conquering anything, a tall empire doesn't have to transition to a wide empire, but in stellaris there isn't much to do if you don't conquer people, and given the way how the research and productions currently work, playing tall is not a very valid choice unless you become boxed in very early on. 0 wide was getting as many planets as possible while taking the large tech negatives from having those planets. Play tall on the short term, get bio ascension, make sturdy and strong pops, then start a conquering spree. 3 a LOT. Especially if you've been away for 1-2 years. We will use these. . Paradox you're doing it all wrong. Also, I'm the Custodian. 2) Optimize Production Methods edict An edict with a base cost of 300 influence and a base duration of 10 years that increases resources from jobs by 50%. Darvin3 • 1 yr. 06c (updated 11/14/05). I'm crushing on tall on hardest on my current game, dominant by the 2300's, overwhelming by 2400. The 0,1 penalty is the +10% penalty per system other than the first one. It takes years with a 200+ sized fleet to get literally a handful of pops. 20 comments. Playing tall is a long-term strategy, so players should generally start using it. I've taken the society tech for a 10% naval capacity increase once or twice. Hegemon. Tall/Wide are CIV terms that the community stole and then tried to apply them to this game and completely screwed everything up. . Playing tall or playing wide, which is better!? Most players start by building and advancing their empires in stellaris with a typical : expand, then build o. Tips on playing wide? So i am trying to play more wide and less tall but i seem to have a problem. Tall in stellaris is weird, since planets just exist nothing really stops you from conquering some big planets, and building ecumenopolis or ringworlds. On easy difficulties though, wide is better than tall most of the time. You can either choose to have lots of colonies spread out across lots of system, or lots of habitats contained. Empire size has changed a lot over the years in Stellaris. Some used up to 14. The Modding Den is a server dedicated to Stellaris Modding invite to our discord server. You stick to yourself, and they like it. Relic world start is pretty good if you can get a few planets to fuel. For how to: watch some of montuplays newest guides regarding playing tall. It's a playstyle meant for defense and not offense. In practice this means you build Habitats, Ring-Worlds, Dyson Sphere and Science Nexus. Imo the best definition of play wide is a lot of systems. Wide still has better overall throughput and is. There are a couple of problems with playing tall. 0 changed that, claiming systems increases tech cost as well as planets, but now population doesn't increase tech cost. The 3. Playing 'Tall' runs counter to paradox game design in a general way. 1 energy. There is also the older mechanics such as increased tech cost per planet and ethics divergence by distance which will favour building tall. That require you to explore and have them in your territory. 818 votes, 167 comments. In fact it could be easier with more resources. Part 2 focuses on creating your civilization both in and out of game. Tall strategies focus on having a few cities packed into smaller territory but much more heavily upgraded. So really it's up to you. Report. It doesn't work in Stellaris (at least in 3. How to play tall in stellaris: Switch your game version in the steam launcher to something from 30 years ago before admin cap jobs were added. If you want you can call this "its dead", but as long some people write a guide, there is a way to play tall. You can play a faction which only ever has 1 city, but everything is concentrated in this one city. I like my little bubble of about 20-25 systems, depending on what is in them or what they are. I've read on here that playing tall in 2. large number of poorly developed planets. You got two species that started (a robot and cyborgs), and you needed land on the hostile worlds (aka primitives or enemy empires worlds) with ground armies, Assimilate the pops then you basically have a new world under your name. Playing tall is not only possible, it's insanely powerful and (on Insane), I am always the most powerful empire in the galaxy by 2400. I believe the large consensus among Stellaris players who pay attention to meta is that, in 2. A wide playstyle is playing to do well. Hi, I always play tall, up to 5 colonies, but right now I see it as dumb thing to do due to how easy it is to increase your empire sprawl limit with bureaucrats. It is my philosophy, and thus the mod's, that a 'Tall' empire is one with. With shattered ring, you get 3 big ring sections in your starting system, great for tall play. (Not super-tall though, as in one planet, but only 8 planets and. In Stellaris you can't colonize a planet or build a habitat without claiming a system. ago. There are many, many ways to play a militarist build. You get more yeild from the planet as far as resources plus more space for research labs. Actually there IS a perfect answer. Outside of this there is no "Tall" concept in Stellaris as more. ChronicallyDepressed. If you can't open branch offices for various reasons probably nearby AI hives, megacorps, xenophobes etc use early game economy bro expand or whatever and reform into a normal empire soon ditching the megacorp part of the build. 273 upvotes · 38 comments. Even before 2. Evokes a kind of 'hazard warning' feeling. This is going to be my updated take on the basic builds. 48. Enjoy your stratified society. For going tall, you really don't need it. Overlord has changed a bunch of things when it comes to vassals and such. Usually, when I'm playing tall I only have 6-8 worlds and go maybe 25%-50% over my admin cap, but 90 total is only enough admin cap to have maybe 4 worlds and some systems without significantly going over. Pros: Very flexible, allows for a degree of dabbling in tall play for otherwise wide empires. Well it depends. Sprawl exists but can be managed at any size. Once you complete your unity traditions hopefully around 2300-2320 (or earlier) ascend your trade world to level 10. Even a faction with a single city all game. 8 Archetype Play-stylespared to read, better leave. 48. Though to be honest, it doesn't really change my strategy in Stellaris all that much. You could try to beat the Fallen. This is a synergy-guide, not a min-max guide, for playing Necrophage origin. and the edicts and all the other bonuses from low empire size aren't enough as a semi wide empire would be. for civics, mechanist is pretty good, syncretic evolution is great too, technocracy is ideal. That's a 70% increase. The game design of Stellaris will always favor wide over tall. Tall is more chill and easier. Conventional wisdom is that playing wide is easier than playing tall, but my experience has been the opposite. HappySack Mar 25 @ 3:07am. 3 and my solutions for it. Thus, this guide is divided into three parts. Stellaris isn't designed for playing tall really. Making this a great strategy for beginners to try out. Ryika Jan 29, 2022 @ 11:08pm. 3 with the elimination of admin cap. But what exac. What I do at the. 0. Trying to conquer whole empire's as soon as met them and have a stronger fleet. If you rely on the bastion for defense for the latter half of the. The upcoming 3. Megacorp fits very neatly for tall empires, given trade's (somewhat) reduced reliance on planets and pops, and their penalty to empire size. The problem with that is the ai manages resources terribly so you’ll need to play on a higher difficulty in order to have an even fight. In Stellaris, it would be really nice if there was a way to convert to tall play after the game starts, because sometimes your start location just doesn't prevent peaceful expansion. Also, I have never played with catalytic treatment. 1 rules, the best way to play Tall was to reduce the number of systems you controlled. Those people are wrong, as are you. Tall play has been seriously buffed in this patch. Enjoy your stratified society. If for Civ 5 difference between small and tall does not matter, it is fine, it is a different game. You can abandon colonies by resettling the last pop to another planet, but it costs 200 influence to do so. Hold chokepoints and rush tech, make friends and sign commercial pacts, start a trade league as soon as possible once you have one close ally, spam corporate embassies in your branch offices, and very soon you will be the only. Your ability to make long term decisions is tied to Influence. If you stick to 10 systems and spam a bunch of habitats you are playing tall. Meaning it was a lot easier to out-tech wide empires. Weekly PSA: Habitat spam is the definition of playing wide. For tall, your best bet is a megacorp. After 2. Build Starbase at choke points, not on all outposts. 8 no DLC. !remindme 1 day. 8. While Tall empires aren’t currently competitively viable, there are some features that lean towards a tall playstyle, and can be used as starters, points for praise, or references for further development. Having lots of systems is not a wide play-style, having. having the biggest, most. Mind you, even when playing tall, I don't build them, I'd rather. OP, there currently is no such thing as a tall build for this game. Sadly, space gnomes have not been confirmed, so we'll probably be forced to play tall. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Many people seem to have a misconception what "tall" means in Stellaris. I have two flavours playing stellaris, super nice super diplomatic empire or devouring swarm. He plays stellaris and stands above 6’5 Reply Modo44 •. Here’s some early game development pointers: The most important resources in the game are Influence, Minerals, Unity, in that order. I cant play stellaris this weekend to try and min max this build, so monday I can give you a stronger suggestion. Generally, there are 3 strategies you can mix and match. The softcap, even under the initial 3. There is also the older mechanics such as increased tech cost per planet and ethics divergence by distance which will favour building tall. the main contributor to a viable tall play Megacorp's are Stellaris "tall" playstyle. This mod makes all the special systems in stellaris have a 100% chance of spawning. There needs to be incentives and/or boni for playing tall, like increased tech speed or unity gain. WebShaman • 6 yr. Just don't confuse playing a voidborne in a very small space with playing tall. Especially if you've been away for 1-2 years. Its the eternal question that decides how you’re going to play your game of stellaris and what you early strategy is going to be. Tall builds are barely viable with DLCs, without them they're basically impossible. Created by Robinicus. It is how the terms have worked for the majority of games since I was paying by the minute to access the internet. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy…The main problem is that Stellaris is a game of resources and pops are the most precious one, tall empires are awful in those regards and they also run the risk of lagging behind in the tech department which is bad. Yes, even when playing wide you still try to play as tall as possible but you first focus on expansion. Bureaucrats killed tall. Build lots of habitats and then ring worlds when you get. If you want to play a Machine Empire with a special starting world, you could pick the origin that starts you on a Machine world. Shipsets were reptilian. You can play tall empires by taking tributaries and vassals, its fully possible to only have a few planets while "owning" half the galaxy through your subjects. There are a few common Playstyle types and each type will face similar issues regardless of how the galaxy was created. growing pops requires going wide and in stellaris pops are everything. . r/Stellaris • How does playing tall work?Stellaris Tall vs Wide is total number of colonies / habitats in general. Related. It also allows you to focus on building up your core planets MUCH more from my experience, since I can just keep to myself while my allies/defence stations act as. I always run into economic defects, Overpopulation and being serounded by larger empire's. Empire sprawl will stay low if you play tall which allows you to tech up and tradition ascend at fast rate. He noted one of the paradox devs in the Stellaris Devs clash was playing as a tall pacifist empire. Today I have the first new basic build in a while. The angler build is still a solid choice. ago A common misunderstanding is that playing tall means having a small number of systems. It's like having a huge empire to defend, but you don't get the huge economy to go with it. Versus AI its possible to play tall but its harder than wide. Yeah, it would be nice if the game supported playing tall. Way, Way, WAAAY Too Many Thoughts on Necrophage (Strategy, Synergy, etc. This means any advice for "Tall" play needs to be tailored to the specific kind of run you're playing, which makes it kinda pointless to categorize them together. 0 growth). Currently, pretty much the whole galaxy is my vassals and also members of my hegemony, except for one who has been my ally since the very beginning. 724Unfortunately there is no current way to play the way you want. R5: I just love having vassals and building a hegemony over conquest. I'd like to see Stellaris travel down this route with a focus on corruption and general population unrest the farther out a colony is settled to the point where your fringe worlds need a constantly police or military presence to keep subdued unless you. This is why most people say that wide is better than tall. What actually constitutes tall in this game? In my current game I'm playing fanatic egalitarian materialists who aspire to turn themselves in to a…I used the robotic mammalian portrait (the tall bulky machine with a glass front). What i would really like, is to play a geographically small empire but with high population planets and systems (i believe it's possible to have pops on a space platform, but i never seen them). The bad news is that you start with one, and to. To be fair, Tall was more of a fun gimmick run than a serious strategy even before this update. Right now it is not viable to play a small/tall empire. The first 1000 people who click the link will get 2 free months of Skillshare Premium: Playing Tall has always been one of the more elu. Even if we never get a way to truly play tall, we still need to fix the current pop growth model (dominated by how many worlds contribute their base 3. I have been getting back into this game for the past few weeks and i am still unsure how some things work. If you want to be able to play Tall, play Endless Legend. In Stellaris, sometimes the best origins to choose are the ones that will give you a greater challenge. Guaranteed Special System Spawn. If you're spamming habitats, you aren't playing tall. The main point of this build is to play tall than. Equilibrius Coastal Raider. Any void dwellers build with militarist. Paradox, Please Let Us Play Tall. Stellaris. This system warps the game and the way we play it in an unhealthy way. General. As a long time Crusader Kings 2. TLDR, I think tall isnt dead, it is just more gradient. We have another 2. 2. I was playing stellaris and got bored of losing, so made a perfect species, necrophage, demigods. "Tall" as compared to "wide" is generally presumed to be going really high development on a low number of cities/planets (depending on your game), rather than low development of a high number of cities. A Tall play now isnt about just being small, it is about being efficient. 5K Online. But i definitely struggle when it comes to playing a more aggressive empire like the Commonwealth of Man or the Determined Exterminators. the best ways to play tall are either: a trade empire (megacorp would be the best) because the best planet types (ecumenopolis/ring world) are the best for generating trade and trade does fully cover energy, consumer goods and unity production. Megastructures aren't the only way to succeed when playing tall. The benefit from playing Tall should be that you make amends, and strong alliances with nearby neighbors, you're not a threat, and they like that. Realistically when going tall it means some small set of orbital mines and research stations that weren't your core priority anyways - the core priority ones were covered by your frontier outposts to begin with. Nothing you do by restricting planets/ habitats offers you anything which you do not get when going wide. Playing tall is very effective as long as you play smart. 0 making playing tall a viable strategy. Also if you turn off early game scaling it’s much more difficult. . So going "tall" is just shooting yourself in the foot. The player "developed" these systems to the heights of their abilities, using Habitats and Ringworlds. In Stellaris tall is an RP/aesthetic/laziness based preference, not a strategy for optimizing a win, for all the reasons people have posted. Title says it all. I'd argue no, due to the nature of population growth and the general lack of bonuses for small empires. Option A is to build up your internal economy, with any commercial or trade agreements being bonuses to your own production. The wide playstyle embraces sprawl inefficiency like a friend absorbing everything it can, heedless of the diminishing returns. 22 Badges. When people say they're playing tall in Stellaris, they generally mean one of two things: Either they're just playing a small nation, or they're playing a "compact" nation, with large numbers of habitats/ringworlds in a small number of systems. The first 1000 people who click the link will get 2 free months of Skillshare Premium: Playing Tall has always been one of the more elu. . InflationCold3591. Tall is NOT Pops over Systems. You will be slightly less ahead, as the AI here is much better at tech, but still a massive lead. If you play tall right, you can get more than 15000 tech per month mid game. All in all though I think this build I'm playing is more static than I like. r/Stellaris • Tall vs Wide is really an issue with a Unity not being competetive with Science. First things first, let's talk definitions - I describe 'going tall' in Stellaris as simply restricting oneself to never having sectors. However, I am interested in playing tall, since maybe this is the best strategy for me. Third is that people will want a Bulwark, but probabably as a 1-planet minor vassal, in order to get significant starbase discounts (20%) that will also apply to planetary rings. Compare Stellaris to a game where you can play tall, and playing tall is strong: Civ 5. On easy difficulties though, wide is better than tall most of the time. . CelestialSegfault • 10 days ago. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming. Yes, and this is not Civ 5, this Stellaris. Having every planet in a system with a habitat or colony. But if you want to play tall how can we make the most out of y. Small. Give me the most broken empire you have. Jump to latest Follow Reply. Get those techs and traditions which will make your pops more efficient. "Tall" as compared to "wide" is generally presumed to be going really high development on a low number of cities/planets (depending on your game), rather than low development of a high number of cities. If you want to learn in Stellaris How to Play Tall then this Stellaris Playing Tall Guide is right for YOU! I'll be going everything you need to know in Playing Tall in. Branch offices provide you a large income supplement, particularly credits, allowing you to focus your own economy. You can no longer colonize large swaths of space with a vassal swarm either. There are a few common Playstyle types and each type will face similar issues regardless of how the galaxy was created. walter. "Tall" in Stellaris isn't doing more with less, it's just having less. Even so, you still do want to expand towards your target, just for the influence. S Tier Origins in Stellaris. This video is my Guide for: How to Play Tall in Stellaris Console Edition, full of tips and tricks and gameplay to show you How to Build a Tall Empire and Play as One. Hi, I always play tall, up to 5 colonies, but right now I see it as dumb thing to do due to how easy it is to increase your empire sprawl limit with bureaucrats. There also needs to be a way to join and white peace in-progress wars when you aren't the primary target (say, costing influence). self. #1. For this approach, you'd want origins that can benefit as early as possible from. the best origins for making the game harder are: Doomsday. With the Hegemon, you will get 2 AI-powered allies who will do whatever you wish early into. The bonus of it is you can probably defend your entire space with one fleet. Twenty systems is the breakpoint where number of systems owned raises your starbase cap, which is why it is sometimes given as a guide point. Everyone is talking about “playing tall” but what does that actually mean in Stellaris? Are we all on the same page about what it means?. I would say that spiritualist is a weak choice for tall builds; you're already going to be have really cheap edicts and low unity. Noanamus Mar 6, 2017 @ 4:21am. Cap one or 2 worlds at a time, set food limit to 5k and munch your way to the diabetis throne. Fan demand for equally balanced tall playstyles has hindered game enjoyability. It is perfect for roleplay purposes, and gives great bonuses, including a +10% increase to pop growth, +5% happiness, and +20% unity. When I play tall, and only conquer like 10-12 systems, and find good chokepoints, and focus on tech and development on my worlds, I end up with 100s of each resource per month, and by midgame every non-FE empire is 'inferior' to me. Because it is not wide that is better, it is big. There are a lot of very easy to make changes that would make the choices a lot more equal if not perfect. Essentially, tall and wide shouldn’t be wildly different as far as pop count goes. 1. Beginner's guide to Stellaris. Warscore, the fleet manager, land warfare, etc. 87 Badges. In Stellaris, you don't make that choice. The 0,1 penalty is the +10% penalty per system other than the first one. ago. This guide is incredible. In practice this means you build Habitats, Ring-Worlds, Dyson Sphere and Science Nexus. Worth noting that the "drag" on research from empire size is pretty much the most negatively impactful (mechanically-speaking) aspect of a galaxy-spanning empire (i. I would say going tall is even more viable now. If you play tall right, you can get more than 15000 tech per month mid game. And as a devouring swarm/hivemind, your habitability. 2. This ironically makes the Expansion tradition really good for tall builds, since it gives bonuses to both Admin cap and pop growth speed. I was watching quill18's latest series on stellaris. Here's what I personally like to do, and it works for me playing tall. So today we're going to take a look at a general overview of. Things have changed now, and playing tall is far from the powerhouse strategy it once was. That's enough to fight 25x in 2300. Playing tall means you concentrate on maxxing out a small number of planets and systems, but I just find it inferior to playing wide, winning aside you just miss out on a tonne of content like the architectural digs, leviathan's, etc. Kind of wish there were multiple assembly slots. You can do quite well by building a few colonies on nice big planets, and using wars to establish a lot of vassals and tributaries. ago. I played Stellaris after the release, but that is long time ago and since EU4 became "RTS grand strategy with historical flavour, too streamlined mission trees for some countries and way too RNG-dependent in some cases", I would like to give Stellaris a shot. Considering the asking price I suggest of buying this DLC only if you are interested in playing as a Megacorp or if you already have a good selection of DLCs. In the current beta branch, I’m running a megacorp. Agreeing with PsySom here. Stellaris players aren't at all happy with the AI habitat spam that plagues their games and have rallied yet again, begging Paradox to address the grand strategy game's long-running issue. In Stellaris, some people play tall by only using a single planet, some go for a small number, like your starting 3, etc. ago. Then tried a mixed economy run aimed at going tall and setting up strong vassals but was stymied when I realized 3 planets in 28 systems was incredibly unlucky and having anamoly researchers was actually. Playing tall infers having fewer and more productive planets instead of a ton of mediocre planets. ago. They have a 100 pop max capacity and 35% bonus on specialist/ruler output. While I do know some general aspects of playing tall and I also know that in 2. large empire size) at present. It was never viable, and it's not even possible now with the new empire size changes. If you get stuck with it, ignore this step. Report. Advice Wanted. It's not about having fewer planets, but about having less directly controlled space. Hello my most pious followers. ago. The game actually requires a heavy amount of micromanagement, sectors or not. One last tip about resettling pops to take ruler jobs: with slaver guilds, you may have to resettle 3 pops total to fill 2 ruler jobs on a newly conquered planet. Until now, playing “wide” and securing as much territory as possible was considered the only way to stay competitive with rival Empires. 20 comments. It's not about having few planets - in fact you should still get as many ( properly developed!! Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming.